So my understanding is that the reason Atheists don’t believe in God, and the reason why Agnostic-Atheists lean towards there being no God, is because there is no conclusive proof that God exists.
I respect and understand that.
Except…I know Atheists and Agnostic- Atheists who believe that believe that you are born with your sexuality, and there’s no conclusive proof of that either.
I know Atheists and Agnostic-Atheists who believe that there is or most likely is life in the universe besides us, and there’s no conclusive proof of that either.
So what I’m wondering is: if you don’t accept one thing because there’s no conclusive proof, why is it okay to accept these other things for which there is also no conclusive proof?
And don’t get me wrong: I believe that you’re born with your sexuality and that aliens most likely exist too, but I also believe in God (in a spiritual deist kind of way), which is why I’m wondering what exactly the Atheist rational is for picking and choosing what is and isn’t okay to believe when lacking conclusive evidence.
Someone else already answered on the evidence behind being born with your sexuality. As to space and aliens, if an atheist holds “certainly” that there is life on other planets other than earth, they are probably being optimistic. You are right. There IS no conclusive proof that life exists beyond our pretty blue rock. And while we have ideas, we really don’t know how difficult it is for life to form in the first place. We know it happened once. The optimism exists in that, given a universe’s almost unimaginable size, it seems almost inconceivable that this is the only place with life. There is currently no evidence for it though, so I would have to say that I’m an agnostic believer that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Until we either find this life, or figure out how likely it is for life to form in the first place, we have no way of saying how much, if any, of this life is out there.
One more thing. While I am an agnostic atheist, I will say that I tend to be a more pessimistic one. It is commonly said that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This isn’t, however, true in instances where evidence for the thing in question would be expected.
Let us take the god of Abraham, for example. The Bible gives several specific actions performed by this god that we should be able to find evidence for in the real world. There is, however, no evidence for the creation story. Indeed, all the evidence points directly away from it. There is no evidence that all of civilization lived in one city and was scattered from this city suddenly all speaking different languages. Language theory doesn’t work that way
There is no evidence of a world engulfing flood that destroyed all life a mere 3 to 6 thousand years ago, and the evidence for something of that magnitude should be ample. Indeed, we find civilizations that seem to have continued without interruption through the time period that this global flood should have taken place.
And there is no evidence of the Exodus and the seeking of promised land. The Bible mentions 600,000 men (call it more than a million actual people) escaping Egyptian slavery. There is no evidence that the Egyptians ever had Jewish slaves. There is no evidence of more than a million people traipsing through the wilderness for 40 years. With that many people, and with so many wars and significant events, one should very much expect to see evidence for it. Absence of evidence, therefore, strongly suggests that it never happened.
And these are really the top things on this particular god’s resume. If there is no evidence for ANY of these things, then there is strong evidence to believe that this god never existed at all.
So while I am an agnostic atheist with regard to a god in general, I am very much a gnostic atheist with regard to Abraham’s god. I am quite confident that this god is not now nor has ever been real.
To add on: The main reason I am an atheist, personally, is because I was raised religious, I grew up religious and I finally sat down one day and read the entire Bible after I became too curious. When I asked questions, I was turned away and shut down and told by far too many people in charge to stop asking questions. So I left my church and sought answers elsewhere. But the more I studied and read and learned about other religions and religious history, the more I realized something:
There is far FAR more evidence that religion is man made than evidence that an intelligent being existing outside the laws of physics created said laws and the universe.
I have yet to meet any Atheist who just decided overnight to stop following whatever faith they were raised with. It takes years for most of us. So trust me when I say this is not a decision that came lightly. It was a logical conclusion, an understanding, reached after all available evidence was presented.
All these other things you mention have nothing to do with atheism. Aliens? Irrelevant. Homosexuality: Biology with a fuckton of evidence and still irrelevant to the supernatural.
Every religion that has now and ever has existed has a historic beginning. And they all began as cults with prophets and few followers. Hell Mormons and Scientologists were classified as cults less than 50 years ago and yet people are already forgetting this fact.
If you are so keen on understanding why atheists ‘become atheists’, simply ask yourself why man stopped worshipping Thor or Quetzalcoatl.
No, I don’t have to respect you or your religion. Respect is EARNED. And I reserve my respect for ideas and people who aren’t fueled by hatred and tribal divisiveness. Tolerance just means we don’t run around blowing up your churches, or protesting your existence, or funding politicians who think you should be deported, or passing laws to make it illegal for you to go to churches or read your bibles.
It does NOT mean that people outside your little cult can’t make fun of it. Or you. Or call it a cult. Or post silly memes online making fun of your cult and laughing amongst ourselves. Freedom to have your religion does not, at all, ever, mean I can’t sit back and make fun of it.
Heck, if my memory serves me, it’s what many of you go do once a week. Talk shit about “nonbelievers,” “atheists,” “infidels,” “heathens” or whatever colorful term your leaders use now. The way I see it, theists have been slinging mud for thousands of years (along with knives, bonfires and poison). I’m pretty sure a cartoon on imgur isn’t going to destroy your gilded temple anytime soon. Kindly gtfover yourself and stop crying wolf. :* There is no “war” against religion. I am not your boogeyman. I really, cannot care less what invisible friend you invest in. It’s your time, your money. Have at it.
HAHAHAH Probably one of the best ones I’ve seen today. I love the anger this causes for people who don’t understand how science works.
Do you understand how scary this picture is
god forbid a real person do real person things he wasnt just a robot who killed people jesus fucking christ
uh yeah its not like he killed and tortured six million jews or anything
Hold on just a tick. Listen, I’m Jewish, so I’m perfectly capable of understanding that what he did was just…..well, there are no words for it. But let’s not round it up to simply Jews that got killed. It was six million people that died in those camps, not just Jews. Did you know that homosexuals were sent there, too? Yeah, I’m sure you did. They had to wear special little symbols on their clothes. Do you know what it was? It was a pink triangle.
It was six million PEOPLE.
But you let that roll over in your mind for a while and you are going to forever see this man as a monster, but that’s not what he was. He was someone who thought he was truly doing something right for his nation, no matter how shitty he was doing it. Believe me when I say that I don’t like him. I really don’t. My grandfather’s brothers died in those camps, and my grandfather escaped to Spain, then to Mexico. He was lucky.
This is not a monster holding hands with a little girl.
This is Adolf Hitler, a man, holding hands with a little girl.
Yeah. It’s fucking scary. It really is. Do you know why?
It’s because you’re seeing that he wasn’t, in fact, a monster. You’re seeing in this picture that he was a man. He was a man, and that’s really the saddest part of it all.
As a History major who specializes in the history of early modern Europe, I’ve studied a lot of dictators in detail, not just Hitler. The number one mistake anyone could ever make in history is making the assumption that only inhuman monsters are capable of doing terrible things.
Stop dehumanizing Hitler just so you can reassure yourself that “normal” humans aren’t capable of doing bad things. Hitler liked children and dogs, he was a vegetarian and he cried like a little boy when his mother died. I’m not saying he was a good, innocent person, but when you stop attributing human characteristics to historical figures like Hitler, it’s how you overlook people just like him in real life, and it’s how people like him end up back in power.
That last statement.
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LAUGH WHEN I COMPARE PUTIN. Because you damn children have been told nightmares about imaginary Boogeymen and no one warns you that the real killers are men who think they are doing righteous work. And use their conviction, speech and propaganda to instill fear, build up a common enemy and condemn those innocents to death.
(Source: satanel, via catbug)
Supernatural fan are calling demons from the Goetia ‘Enochian Demons’
I wonder where they got that from…
Is calling them “Enochian Demons” wrong?
Yes. Because they are not Enochian.
Enochian magick and goetia are completely different.
Replying to this here because it does not belong on my fandom blog.
1. I am one person, not “the supernatural fandom”.
2. If you clicked the link you’ll know damn well why I said “enochian” because enochian.org…
3. Saying they have nothing in common is deluding yourself. You sound like those Evangelicals who want to pretend that Mormons have nothing in common with them. Yes, the Crowley “magick” cult is older but it also HEAVILY influenced the Enochian cult when it was started. That would be why my original post has a side by side names list of the demons. See also Greek v Roman gods/demigods. I misspoke when I said Pluto earlier and meant Jupiter, but my point stands. They are the SAME demons, with different names.
4. This is all fictional. If you seriously think any of these mythological characters are real, this conversation need go no further.
5. I am a very big fan of mythology and occult studies. But as STORIES. That’s it. I never claimed to be an expert on dead cults and religions. It’s what allows me to enjoy shows like Supernatural. If you start taking anything seriously (angels, hell, demons etc.) you will get very annoyed very fast. I guess that’s just one more benefit of being an atheist fan of sci fi. I honestly don’t know how any theist watches scifi without losing their mind.
6. I love how I am now being told that I am an “idiot” for mislabeling some mythological monsters. It’s kinda adorable really. <3 kiss kiss